{"id":19,"date":"2009-11-26T19:10:28","date_gmt":"2009-11-26T19:10:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/?p=19"},"modified":"2009-11-26T19:10:28","modified_gmt":"2009-11-26T19:10:28","slug":"identifiers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/2009\/11\/identifiers\/","title":{"rendered":"Identifiers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Kaliya Hamlin and Jean Russell share a dialogue, learning from each other about reputations and currency. (I write in third person because I want to attribute appropriately to each, and yet this is done together). We have a sense of the overall map of ideas, and we want to start with some core concepts that the work depends upon.<\/p>\n<p>We begin with identifiers. We discuss below what identifiers are and how they work in meat-space. Our next post covers identifiers in the digital context.<\/p>\n<p><em>Jean:<\/em> SO&#8230;.What is an identifier?<\/p>\n<p><em>Kaliya:<\/em> An identifier is a pointer to a person or an object<\/p>\n<p><em>Jean:<\/em> A pointer to a person or an object?<\/p>\n<p><em>Kaliya:<\/em> There are generic identifiers &#8211; rose, cup, chair&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><em>Jean:<\/em> So a word can be an identifier?<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Eames chair arrived\" href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/38869431@N00\/3123726138\/\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" src=\"http:\/\/farm4.static.flickr.com\/3248\/3123726138_fdd2848e97_m.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"Eames chair arrived\" width=\"180\" height=\"240\" \/><\/a><em>Kaliya:<\/em> Yes. To have a more specific identifier &#8220;the green chair over in the corner&#8221; identifies it (the specific green chair) &#8230;relative to others in the same context &#8211; a room, for example.<\/p>\n<p><em>Jean:<\/em> Okay, I think I get what you mean by pointer. An identifier allows you to identify something to someone else in a shared context.<\/p>\n<p><em>Kaliya:<\/em> Yes. So people&#8217;s names identify them in our shared social spaces. They are identifiers too.<\/p>\n<p><em>Jean:<\/em> So in meat-space we are using identifiers all the time when we use language together.<\/p>\n<p><em>Kaliya:<\/em> However, I am not my name, I have a name &#8211; it points to me. You have a name &#8211; it points to you.<\/p>\n<p><em>Jean:<\/em> Okay, so the name and what it refers to are not the same thing. One is pointing at the other. And there are different kinds of identifiers, then? Like <em>chair<\/em> is vague and <em>green chair in the corner<\/em> is specific and my name is specific to me, pretty much.<\/p>\n<p><em>Kaliya:<\/em> Chair is a generic identifier, yes. Well, it is specific to you in a social context. <em>Green chair in the corner<\/em> is more specific. I might want to identify a very particular green chair. I would look on the chair to find the manufacture serial number for it, or I might want it in my company\/personal inventory and &#8220;assign&#8221; it a number identifier for that specific chair.<\/p>\n<p><em>Jean:<\/em> Right, so there are degrees of specificity in identifiers.<\/p>\n<p><em>Kaliya:<\/em> So people&#8217;s name are specific in a social context. They might be more or less &#8220;specific&#8221; because there is more than one person named Jean in the world and even with my name there is more then one Kaliya. But in my social world &#8211; the people I know &#8211; I am the only Kaliya. I know several Mary&#8217;s though so I have to get more specific when talking about them using a last initial or a last name.<\/p>\n<p><em>Jean:<\/em> Okay, so there is an element of uniqueness that is important in an identifier? To successfully identify the object, the identifier needs to be unique?<\/p>\n<p><em>Kaliya:<\/em> Yes, unique within the context.<\/p>\n<p><em>Jean:<\/em> So we seem to navigate this pretty well in our everyday lives, and we ask for more specificity when we need it.<\/p>\n<p><em>Kaliya:<\/em> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><small><a title=\"Attribution License\" href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by\/2.0\/\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"..\/wp-content\/plugins\/photo-dropper\/images\/cc.png\" border=\"0\" alt=\"Creative Commons License\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" align=\"absmiddle\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.photodropper.com\/photos\/\" target=\"_blank\">photo<\/a> credit: <a title=\"juhansonin\" href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/38869431@N00\/3123726138\/\" target=\"_blank\">juhansonin<\/a><\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jean Russell and Kaliya Hamlin discussed what identifiers are and how they work in meat-space \/ digital-space \/ name context  <a href=\"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/2009\/11\/identifiers\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[15],"class_list":["post-19","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-identity","tag-identifiers"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/19","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=19"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/19\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=19"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=19"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/reputationcurrents.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=19"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}